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Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:57:00 -
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You have drawn several fallacious conclusions from an isolated incident enacted and participated in solely by individual corporations of capsuleers.
You do an extreme disservice to the Federation by claiming it is a puppet of the Empire and an even greater disservice to the Empire by claiming we need puppets to defend ourselves. You may have the upper-hand in the war effort at this time but the Empire is far from finished. |
Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:09:00 -
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I would have to contest your viewpoint, Captain Shogaatsu. The planets (and their inhabitants) are hardly inconsequential or useless and when the systems change occupancy, the planets come under the leadership (and occupancy) of the occupying power.
You also may wish to recall the Emergency Militia Powers Act which is actually responsible for the ongoing war between capsuleers loyal to their respective empires. It may not appear like much is being accomplished from the space side of things, but on the planets in those relevant systems, the constant changes in occupancy do matter and I imagine those under those conditions live very difficult lives. |
Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:13:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:
You are right sir, Wolfsbrigade did enter into a diplomatic effort to have our forces look away from their system at the expense of your entire war effort, apparently thinking that they were the most important entity in your Empire. I am sorry that they have betrayed all of you and I would say that you brand them enemiesof the Empire and treat them as such.
As to the question of Shadows of the Federation I again state that this is either a prelude to changing political relations between the Republic or yet another splinter group that needs to be dealt with by their own. That being said I would think that it may be possible for Minmatar forces to join both Gallente and Amarr forces to deal with these traitors.
Traitors within the Empire will be dealt with accordingly, if they are indeed traitors. I find it interesting that you would brand Wolfsbrigade traitors for using resources at their disposal to secure a system for the Empire. Furthermore, you are again attributing the actions of a single capsuleer organization to the entire Empire, Wolfsbrigade does not now, nor has it ever, spoken for the entirety of the Empire.
If you are seeking to route traitors, I would direct your pledges solely to the Republic and to the Federation, assuming the corporation your speaking of is active in the Federal Defense Union, then they have indeed turned against their nation's allies to serve personal interests. That, however, is a matter for the Federation and perhaps the Republic to deliberate over. |
Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:20:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:I would brand them as traitors as the effect of the pact was "Dont attack our one system and we will give you free reign to attack the rest of our empires systems without reprisal from us". That is Traitor acts no matter how you look at it. They sold the rest of the Amarr Militia to save their own asses.
Do you have proof of this "pact?" |
Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:40:00 -
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I should clarify that from my individual perspective, WBR promoted dishonor, disloyalty and treachery by participating in this event. Such behavior leaves me with an ill taste in my mouth, but I cannot speak on behalf of the whole Empire nor the 24IC in how this event will affect WBR in relation to them.
Proof of this pact where they state their disregard for all other systems currently being contested would help elicit a response, I imagine. |
Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:09:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
You show concern for planet-dwellers and their tiny, pointless lives, so explain how you justify the loss of life of capsuleer ship crews (which are drawn from those wretched gravity-balls) on a conflict which has not achieved any goal, nor affected the political makeup of New Eden in the slightest.
The loss of life is unfortunate and I mourn those who pass without being within the will of God. However, if they are crewing a ship that is fighting for a cause they believe in, they knowingly put themselves in that position and died with honor. While I will mourn their passing, I honor their decision.
If they are in it simply for the money, then again they made their choice and died following their own compass. Again, I will mourn their passing apart from God, but I honor their decision.
What you don't seem to understand is that goals are being accomplished, perhaps not as readily as we'd prefer them to and certainly not as quickly as if this war were being fought without the presence of self-proclaimed immortals, but they are being accomplished nonetheless. Those of us that fight to secure our borders and defend them from further incursion are doing all we can to bring a stalemate to the war(s) and security for those on the planets within.
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Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:39:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Yeaaaaaaah, something tells me we're not bringing them much security.
All those snippets prove is that because of the continued back-and-forth, the planets remain unstable. My point was that if we could focus on defending our own borders and stop invading into other's the constant back-and-forth would stop and that would help with security and infrastructure on those planets. Also, this has absolutely nothing to do with "indoctrination," it's my own personal viewpoint.
Lyn Farel wrote:Do not confuse the people really responsible for this wasteful war. CONCORD were merely the ones enabling the Militia Emergency Power Act. The ones that really wanted that war were the four nations themselves. The only reason that happened is because they still hold a little power in CONCORD administration. The Militia Power Act is nothing else than a political tool, and your own Empire was involved in its creation.
I will not deny that the major nations were behind EMPA, nor will I deny that the war is something all sides want(ed) at some point. What I am saying is that we have the power, as the ones fighting the war(s), to bring them to a stand still and cease the turmoil caused by them.
Silas Vitalia wrote:Self-Imposed shackles, namely those worn by capsuleers, are the most amusing of all.
What you call 'shackles,' I call conviction. |
Sylux Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:41:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Sylux Raynes wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Do not confuse the people really responsible for this wasteful war. CONCORD were merely the ones enabling the Militia Emergency Power Act. The ones that really wanted that war were the four nations themselves. The only reason that happened is because they still hold a little power in CONCORD administration. The Militia Power Act is nothing else than a political tool, and your own Empire was involved in its creation. I will not deny that the major nations were behind EMPA, nor will I deny that the war is something all sides want(ed) at some point. What I am saying is that we have the power, as the ones fighting the war(s), to bring them to a stand still and cease the turmoil caused by them. Capsuleers have the raw power, but real power lies in the money they are promised to fight in this war. You will get better results by convincing each governement or even better, their populations, than convincing militia capsuleers to boicott that war.
You misunderstand.
I am not vain enough to believe myself capable of convincing anyone; capsuleer, nation or otherwise, to bring these wars to a close. Instead, I do all that I am able to live according to my convictions, to let my actions reflect my words and to explain why I do so when asked.
Which is all I have done in this thread.
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